tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post3280004973333981243..comments2023-04-17T07:48:42.702-07:00Comments on Palin's Q&A + fun: Raw JournoList E-Mails on 'Babygate' - Was there a 'liberal conspiracy' to protect Sarah Palin? - Updated!snowbillyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05051178069918189714noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-66125145788531634182010-07-27T10:57:44.623-07:002010-07-27T10:57:44.623-07:00Anonymous 1:25, Yes, but it's difficult to dec...Anonymous 1:25, Yes, but it's difficult to decide who didn't give birth, because there are so many possibilites! I do think that the assumption that Sarah didn't, which led to a search for motive, pulled people down a deep rabbit hole. So now we have the absurdity of a story that Sarah didn't relying on a story that Bristol did. But even if Bristol was pregnant, they are assuming that she was pregnant with Trig! Some of the people who "know" aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-27513528822337319272010-07-27T01:25:53.893-07:002010-07-27T01:25:53.893-07:00"Did she read the posts?" I don't th..."Did she read the posts?" I don't think she reads anything other than fashion magazines. I doubt she read her own book! I don't think she did a quick three minute search on the internet about the "trade center mosque" before her ignorant tweets.<br /><br />It seem the Trig story on journolist never got legs because of the initial trying to reconcile the fake pregnancy to Bristol giving birth. Others have since suggested that the key question is not who gave birth to Trig but who didn't. Too bad that nuance wasn't played out by the journolist participants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-91097023641464981542010-07-26T19:22:59.237-07:002010-07-26T19:22:59.237-07:00Good night, everyone.
I'll leave this post up ...Good night, everyone.<br />I'll leave this post up until Wednesday unless there is bigger news.Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-78646569468286578422010-07-26T16:29:56.991-07:002010-07-26T16:29:56.991-07:00Anonymous 12:23, Here is what Andrew Sullivan said...Anonymous 12:23, Here is what <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/trig-one-more-time.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Sullivan said</a>:<br /><br /><i>And one thing about "reputation", "ethics", etc. I have not written a column on this in the Atlantic or the Sunday Times, because I don't have the facts to back up any substantive alternative theory to Palin's story-line. But on a blog, I take the responsibility seriously not to bullshit my readers, not to adopt a professional persona that obscures my real-time thoughts. I think a blog exists to air things you cannot nail down in a more formal journalistic context. And I think many of my critics do not get or simply disagree with this understanding of the relationship of blogging to journalism.</i><br /><br />He seems to be saying that he couldn't publish his thoughts in a more mainstream venue, because "I don't have the facts to back up any substantive theory to Palin's story-line." He did, however, publish in <a href="" rel="nofollow">his blog</a>. So, it was an absence of facts, not balls, that prevented him from publishing elsewhere.<br /><br />His reason can explain why other Journalists couldn't publish, either, so I don't think Journalists should be blamed for not reporting the story.Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-49778117825097745252010-07-26T12:23:12.646-07:002010-07-26T12:23:12.646-07:00re Sullivan's comment about "balls":...re Sullivan's comment about "balls": He recently wrote that he never wrote about the story in his newspaper columns. He deliberately only wrote about it in his blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-79146770604649021132010-07-26T12:05:42.542-07:002010-07-26T12:05:42.542-07:00Thanks, nswfm. "Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother...Thanks, nswfm. <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yl1ZAln7SE4J:wizbangblog.com/docs/Daily-Kos-Sarah-Palin-Smear.htm+bristol+palin+is+the+parent+of+trig+%22Sarah+Palin+is+NOT+the+Mother%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">"Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]"</a> and <a href="http://bellaciao.org/en/spip.php?article17293" rel="nofollow">a copy</a>.<br /><br />It appears that there hasn't much in the way of new developments since this post at DailyKos appeared, except for <a href="http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-babies-by-sarah-palin.html" rel="nofollow">IM's discovery about Trig's ears</a>, and, well, the insistence of some that Trig was born earlier.<br /><br />These posts could be useful. If I remember correctly, Kos had the post deleted because it smacked of conspiracy theory. He also bans 9/11 conspiracy theorists ...Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-6309257047709539582010-07-26T11:53:52.033-07:002010-07-26T11:53:52.033-07:00FYI, this is the Daily Kos piece that got axed:
h...FYI, this is the Daily Kos piece that got axed:<br /><br />http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yl1ZAln7SE4J:wizbangblog.com/docs/Daily-Kos-Sarah-Palin-Smear.htm+bristol+palin+is+the+parent+of+trig+%22Sarah+Palin+is+NOT+the+Mother%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a<br /><br />and the clearer version is here:<br />http://bellaciao.org/en/spip.php?article17293<br /><br />The photos on the AK website got scrubbed well before Parnell got on the scene.<br /><br />The first time I showed my parents the square pillow of Palin in the blue windbreaker they said no way was she pregnant. Then I showed the photo where she's having a pic taken with a little girl and her stomach area is wrinkled....When Bristol's Tripp pregnancy was announced, my father thought she had what I learned on the East Coast are called "Irish Twins"--two kids born in 12 months because, my father guessed, she didn't think she could get pregnant so quickly after giving birth. <br /><br />Then I showed my parents the baby with the hole in front of the ear (the baby shower) and the one with out (ie the convention), and they know there's a big fat lie around this kid business.nswfmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-68806393499496649802010-07-26T08:39:25.202-07:002010-07-26T08:39:25.202-07:00LoLz, snowbilly. Are you paying me?
That might b...LoLz, snowbilly. Are you paying me? <br /><br />That might be the real story, though: "The Story about 'The Story that Sarah Palin Faked a Pregnance'"Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-81823969989818019162010-07-26T08:29:21.789-07:002010-07-26T08:29:21.789-07:00Great post, J. It's interesting when the posts...Great post, J. It's interesting when the posts concerning babygate abruptly ended, coinciding with the timing of the release of the story that Bristol was pregnant. Basically, the campaign statement ended the story, because it was thought that Bristol could not have given birth to Trig, then been pregnant with Tripp. <br /><br />Some argued that Bristol could have become pregnant again. Then, the date of Trig's birth was questioned, then some moved the date of Trig's birth up, as though they were persuaded by the argument that Bristol could not have become pregnant again and been as pregnant as claimed at the time of the convention, seemingly accepting the official date of Trig's birth. Isn't there an inconsistency in their argument, there?<br /><br />Anyway, what would be interesting to learn is the origin of the questioning of the date and the origin of the rumor that Trig was born earlier. Was this due to a firm belief that Bristol had given birth to Trig? Did she?<br /><br />It seems that an accurate etiology of the rumors is needed.<br /><br />Your point about the conservative lies about the list is an important one. What I'd like to see might be the subject of another post, too.snowbillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05051178069918189714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-25188980832598574642010-07-26T08:03:51.776-07:002010-07-26T08:03:51.776-07:00Another point to be made concerns the right-wing l...Another point to be made concerns the right-wing lie that JournoList was full of Journalists. Many of the members were opinion writers.<br /><br />If opinion writers wouldn't run with the story, how could reporters/editors be expected to? Expected to even be interested?<br /><br />It remains to look into the background of the posters to the 'babygate' part of the list to determine whether they were Journalists. It could be the subject of another post, if there is enough interest.Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-84960197972974076352010-07-26T07:25:33.912-07:002010-07-26T07:25:33.912-07:00Interesting question, Anonymous 7:09. I don't ...Interesting question, Anonymous 7:09. I don't know. Andrew Sullivan has called Dave Weigel a Conservative (Capital 'C', not one of the common-sense ones). Could the fact that Weigel's posts were leaked after he went to WaPo indicate that there were other conservatives on the list? (Weren't the conservatives interested in embarrassing Weigel?)<br /><br />Oops! I may have just thrown the "conspiracy theorists" another bone. Let's see whether they can figure it out. LoLz.Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-60592805170238024512010-07-26T07:09:01.833-07:002010-07-26T07:09:01.833-07:00How did Dave Weigel get onto JournoList?How did Dave Weigel get onto JournoList?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-41540900327628462852010-07-26T06:52:57.504-07:002010-07-26T06:52:57.504-07:00It can be easy to say the media "ignored"...It can be easy to say the media "ignored" the story; however, everyone has to select stories. There is not time to cover everything thoroughly. It appears to me that the story was considered by the posters to JournoList. You can read why they wouldn't cover it for yourself. Of course, not everyone was on JournlList, and every member may not have contributed to that discussion, and (for you conspiracy theorists (LoLz)) there may have been offline discussions, too, so ... .<br /><br />The point of my post is that JournoList, which the right is trying to portray as some gigantic liberal media conspiracy was not what they claim. If it had been, these JournoList posts would read something like, "Yeah, let's run with it and destroy the Republicans and Sarah Palin." ...Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1616743751559129574.post-88938650309080846412010-07-26T06:41:23.497-07:002010-07-26T06:41:23.497-07:00The NY Times story cited in the post has:
The Pal...The NY Times story cited in the post has:<br /><i><br />The Palins’ statement arrived after a flurry of rumors had made their way through the Internet over the weekend, growing and blooming, it seemed, by the minute.<br /><br />Some claimed that Ms. Palin had not actually given birth to Trig, but that Bristol had, and that the family had covered it up. Various Web sites posted photographs of Ms. Palin in the months leading up to his birth this year, and debated whether her physique might have been too trim for her stage of pregnancy. The McCain campaign said Ms. Palin announced Bristol’s pregnancy to stop the swirl of rumors.<br /><br />Ms. Palin’s own pregnancy took Alaska by surprise this year. Even those who worked for her in the governor’s office said they were surprised. Her announcement, in March, was reported in The Anchorage Daily News, which noted at the time that Ms. Palin “simply doesn’t look pregnant.”<br /><br />Friends said that Ms. Palin, a conservative Protestant and a member since 2006 of Feminists for Life, an anti-abortion group, knew when she was pregnant with Trig (said to be a Norse name for strength) that he had Down syndrome — a fact that has, in some ways, sealed Ms. Palin’s support among anti-abortion advocates and others. <br /></i>Joie Vouethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10728012555935899755noreply@blogger.com